This One Is For meatball

  A regular visitor and one of the few who actually comments took an interest in my post about Pres. Obama being awarded The Nobel Peace Prize. It would seem that meatball took some offence to my reference to Norway as being euro -trash and socialist.

  Mr. meatball made several post defending the great nation of Norway, giving examples of how well socialism is working for them. He also made reference to the fact that they share many of the same freedoms as Americans.

  I must say I was curious , so I looked up the Norwegian Constitution. This constitution was laid down on May 17,1814 and while the wording is different there are some similarities to our own, and it was last amended on Feb. 20,2007.

  I will link to the constitution at the end of this post, but I just have to point out some of the high points that struck me and made me wonder if it were these that would draw a freedom loving person such as meatball to favor a Norway style of government over our own.

  The Norwegians wasted no time in stating that their’s was a country that guaranteed the freedom of religion, they did this in Article 2.  Also in Article 2 , they state that the Evangelical-Lutheran religion shall be the “official” religion of the state and that inhabitants professing it are bound to bring up their children in the same. Now that is some kind of religious freedom. But I’m sure that meatball will tell us that it doesn’t mean what it seems to mean.

  In Article 3 we find out that the King or Queen is the Executive power within the country. And yes this is a hereditary monarchy. So are we to assume that our good friend meatball would be in favor of a King Obama and then allowing his descendents to assume the throne?

  Article 5 states that the King may not be censured or accused. Wow that does sound familiar, we already have that here in the states, if you disagree with Pres. Obama you are labeled a racist .

  Article 12 set the rules for how the King may select his Council of the State, Pres. Obama just calls them Czars. In Norway at least half of the Council of the State must be made up of people who profess the official religion of the state, there is that freedom of religion again.

  Here is one I’m sure meatball was really in favor of , and I know he took the time to read this constitution before he started praising the Norwegians. Article 109 mandates service in the armed forces of Norway by every citizen, that’s what Jane Fonda would call the draft.

  I won’t even try to explain Article 110b , but I recommend that you check it out, it has to do with the country of Norway guaranteeing each citizen a clean environment, Al Gore eat your heart out.

  So meatball was it one of these , or was it one of the other Articles that has you packing your bags to move to that freedom loving nation of Norway?

   To read the entire text of the Norwegian Constitution here is the link

   http://www.stortinget.no/en/In-English/About-the-Storting/The-Constitution/The-Constitution/

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5 Responses to “This One Is For meatball”

  1. meatball Says:

    Kudos, Frank for actually going to the original source material. I did, too.

    “The Norwegians wasted no time in stating that theirs was a country that guaranteed the freedom of religion, they did this in Article 2. Also in Article 2 , they state that the Evangelical-Lutheran religion shall be the “official” religion of the state and that inhabitants professing it are bound to bring up their children in the same. Now that is some kind of religious freedom. But I’m sure that meatball will tell us that it doesn’t mean what it seems to mean.”

    I think it means exactly what it says it means. I think there is a vocal minority in this country that would applaud such an amendment to the US constitution. Also, I guess the Norwegians view their constitution as a “living document” and have amended it over the years to reflect the “times.”

    “In Article 3 we find out that the King or Queen is the Executive power within the country. And yes this is a hereditary monarchy. So are we to assume that our good friend meatball would be in favor of a King Obama and then allowing his descendants to assume the throne?

    Article 5 states that the King may not be censured or accused. Wow that does sound familiar, we already have that here in the states, if you disagree with Pres. Obama you are labeled a racist .”

    In 1905, Norway’s year of independence, the Norwegians voted to retain the monarchy form of government making Norway a constitutional monarchy like the United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales), Sweden, and Denmark to name a few. Also, much like the constitutional monarchies I mentioned, the king’s role is largely ceremonial (think Queen Elizabeth, would the UK do away with her?). In Norway, the king appoint the executive branch that is recommended to him by the duly elected majority party in the Storting (the democratically elected legislative body of Norway)(just like the UK). So you see, this is not sinister, just different than the way we do things. Incidentally, the multi-party system in Norway leads to coalition style legislative body which I believe you have come out in favor of before. More parties equals more choices, no?

    Impeachment of the any or all of the executive is brought by the Storting and ruled on by the judiciary. Evil socialists all.

    “Obama just calls them Czars.”

    This is just weird, Frank. I’ll point you to wiki on this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars
    Where have you been for all these years?

    “In Norway at least half of the Council of the State must be made up of people who profess the official religion of the state, there is that freedom of religion again.”

    Not that it’s right, but 80% of Norwegians profess to be members of the official religion. Although attendance at services is abysmal. I predict this church-state association to become much weaker in the near future.

    “The constitutional head of the Church is the King of Norway, who is obliged to profess himself a Lutheran. The Church of Norway is subject to legislation, including its budgets, passed by the Norwegian parliament, the Storting, and its central administrative functions are carried out by the Royal Ministry of Culture and Church Affairs.”-wiki

    Do you think Pat Robert’s would’ve gone for that?

    “Here is one I’m sure meatball was really in favor of , and I know he took the time to read this constitution before he started praising the Norwegians. Article 109 mandates service in the armed forces of Norway by every citizen, that’s what Jane Fonda would call the draft.”

    On this I absolutely agree. Always have, always will. Although Norway’s mandated service is much weaker than some other countries. I did read the document, dude. I also just happened to be chatting with a friend who lives in Norway the week after Obama was awarded the Nobel, so I got a little inside scoop. Anecdotal, I know but nevertheless informative.

    “I won’t even try to explain Article 110b , but I recommend that you check it out, it has to do with the country of Norway guaranteeing each citizen a clean environment, Al Gore eat your heart out.”

    Article 110 b
    Every person has a right to an environment that is conducive to health and to a natural environment whose productivity and diversity are maintained. Natural resources should be managed on the basis of comprehensive long-term considerations whereby this right will be safeguarded for future generations as well.

    In order to safeguard their right in accordance with the foregoing paragraph, citizens are entitled to information on the state of the natural environment and on the effects of any encroachment on nature that is planned or carried out.

    Did you read the second paragraph? Sounds like a commitment to scientific research prior to development guaranteed in their constitution. Not a bad idea, now where’s my pen.

    “So meatball was it one of these , or was it one of the other Articles that has you packing your bags to move to that freedom loving nation of Norway?”

    The climate doesn’t appeal to my bride, I always figured we would move further south. Panama maybe.

    To summarize, I took no offense to you calling the nation socialist (it is) or its people “euro-trash” (they clearly are not). I do take offense to your “arrogant American” attitude, unwilling to learn from those who have been successful. It belittles us all as Americans and you in particular as an avowed capitalist. Take the best we can from around the world and make it our own.

    Now, let’s have lunch sometime. I’ll buy.

  2. frankknotts Says:

    meatball , I’m glad you took this in the way it was intended, tongue firmly planted in cheek. I know we will not agree on the draw backs of socialism. I found nothing guaranteeing the Norwegians right top keep and bear arms, you may find this as a plus , where as I find it dangerous to allow only the government to have arms. And as to there being a group in this country that would welcome an official state religion , I am not a part of it. It is not in anyones best interest to establish or to tolerate such. I choose capitalism be cause it leads to freedom and creation of new technologies and inventions. As for lunch , I could never allow a socialist minded person such as yourself buy me lunch .

  3. meatball Says:

    Well, you can buy me lunch then, Frank. That would be nice. I promise I won’t give you any “progressive kouties.” You know, there are some things we agree on. Just ’cause I proved that some “socialist” programs (as I listen to a WGMD infomercial praising government programs) actually work and benefit society and individuals.

  4. frankknotts Says:

    Lunch might be nice , though I’m afraid the fact that I eat dead animals , often cooked rare , might offend your leftist sensibilities. But still we could have an interesting discussion about how most of those government programs do more harm to individual rights then they do for the so called good of the all. As for the reference to WGMD , well since I have no official affiliation with the station I’m not sure if that was ment as a dig. I am just a caller to the station , who most likely annoys the on air staff as much there as I annoy you here.

  5. meatball Says:

    What makes you think I don’t eat red meat??? I even love scapple. Plus you know I’m a chicken farmer.

    Deep fried bacon anyone?

    As for a leftist label, my arguement was to show you the success some countries have had despite their leftist style of governments. Its not black and white.

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